What to do when you are on H4 status?
The fact that H4 visa holders cannot work in the US is not only unfair, I think it borders on human rights violation. For a developed country like the US, full of immigrants, such a restriction is unimaginable. I would equate it to putting someone in prison – mentally. We hear about green card process delays, CIR bill, Health care reform bill, etc. but few talk about the plight of H4 visa holders – spouses of H1 visa holders that cannot work in the US at all. Even if they are the smartest bulb in the world. Even if it were a doctor who could save someone’s life or an inventor who could give America the next amazing invention. Imagine you had this AMAZING idea or you finally found your life’s calling but you were on the H4 visa. What would you do? I am the entrepreneurial type and I know that if I were in such a situation, I would almost go mad. I think I’d leave the country. But for many, that’s not an option.
I wrote about the Top 10 issues faced by immigrants in the US earlier. The H4 work authorization issue was #3. All the top 3 are probably worthy of being #1 in their own accord.
So, given such a mind-numbing restriction and the fact that you might have to live in such a handicap for years, what are your options? Legally, you can’t work at all. But there are gray areas. On EndlessWait.com, we care a lot about ethics and would NEVER suggest something that’s in violation of the law in any way. But those that have experienced what H4 visa holders go through will agree that finding acceptable workarounds is their only choice. So here you go.
While you are on H4, there are some things you can do:
1. Get Educated: This is the safest option. H4 visa holders can go to school but after you graduate, you can’t really work unless you transition your visa to a H1-B visa, which is an option. Most take this route. But there are many that either don’t want further schooling, can’t afford it, or already have advanced degrees from their foreign countries.
2. Work on something that you can release after you get your work authorization. For example, write a book that you can publish after you get the green card of some work authorization. Or you can release that through a publisher in your home country. Another idea is to plan for a business that you will start when you do get work authorization. For instance, you can try various recipes at home and take classes to become a chef. Once you get your work authorization, you can open your own little restaurant & then with all these years of research you have put into it, you’re much more likely to succeed than the hundreds of restaurants that open up without much of a plan or a well thought out menu.
3. Invest in stocks: You are allowed to invest in businesses, just not work for them. As long as you are not day trading (meaning you make more than 5 trades per week), you are ok. There are several other things you can trade in such as mutual funds (more passive but also less control and more fees involved), forex, Etc. but stocks are the easiest place to start. If you have $25k to start an acocunt with, you could use Zecco.com – they offer free trades at that level. You don’t have to invest all $25k into stocks, just place that amount into your account and you get free trades. Also, you can PRACTICE investing in stocks at http://www.zeccozimulator.com and several other similar sites on the web. These sites give you fake money to test your trading strategies with. If you are new to trading stocks, I highly recommend working with these for at least a month before trading in real money.
4. Peer to Peer Lending: You can lend money to other fellow Americans at LendingClub.com or Prosper.com. This new trend in Finance is called Peer to Peer investing and is a rage among new age investors. It’s been proven to work. The tough part with these is to spend time analyzing loan applicants and making sure you lend to the right people that do repay your loan with interest as you’d expect. The trick is to lend small amounts of money ($100 or so) to a large number of loans. These sites allow hundreds of people to pool their money together to satisfy a loan so your portion of risk is limited. It’s a great concept and the key to success in there is TIME. Most people don’t have that but you guys on H4 to. Capitalize on it. Between these 2 sites, I think LendingClub has the edge as of this post but that’s a personal opinion. You can create accounts with both for free.
5. Invest in Businesses (be a small-time venture capitalist): This may not sound like the typical thing most people do but it’s a very real opportunity out there. You could analyze business opportunities that are out there and when you find a good one, acquire it (fully or in part) and take a passive ownership interest in the business where you invest money into it but don’t work. It’s like investing in stocks, but only here you invest directly into a small business. The reason this works better for some is because you are more in control of what you are placing your money on. The hard part often times is the TIME that it takes to evaluate and find the right business to invest into. Of course, you need the money to invest but there’s ways to raise that if you feel confident that a business is worth it. There are businesses out there looking for investors for as little as $1000 investment.
You can look at businesses that are up for sale at http://bizbuysell.com, http://www.businessesforsale.com, Etc. These sites have forums where people post business ideas and ask for venture investment all the time.
The gray area here is that you can’t work for the business!! You can spend all the time in the world browsing the Internet finding the right business to invest in. But once you acquire it or sign a deal with them, you need to step back and let your active partner do ALL the work. It’s not easy, but doable if you are careful.
5. Volunteer: This one is gray area. The law is not clear (as far as I know and I am NOT a lawyer), about whether you can work without pay while on H4. What is work without pay really? So if you saw someone dying on the street, is helping them “working”? If that’s not working, then why is any other form of voluneteering any different. Work for a friend or family member for free or in exchange for compensation in some form other than money. Perhaps they could buy you a cruise trip, Etc. Again, this is gray area but oh well, I would do it if I had to.
Hope this helps some of you. It doesn’t erase the frustrating position the law puts you in. But we’ve all got to work with the constraints life throws at us. Some of us are luckier than others. You made the choice to come to the US. Make the best of the choices you do have…


January 21st, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Great post, it inspired me to write my Congressman again. Don’t know what good it will do, considering that in the “world’s greatest democracy” we don‘t have the right to work for years and years. In Canada it takes 3 months to get a work permit for people in our situation. Oh, how I wish I moved there … I honestly didn’t know it would take that long to have a normal life again. Meanwhile, I volunteer, you have to be very careful about the gray area, it must be a non paying job. I saw this case on the news, a woman opened a shop and her family was helping her put the merchandise on the shelves … apparently you can get in big trouble for even this innocent kind of help.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Corina,
Good luck with the progress on the Congressperson front. Why don’t you write a post or a comment about exactly what you did and what results you saw?
Also, I am thinking about starting a forum on the endlesswait site. It’s a lot of work to install and integrate with the current site look and feel. But if I do get around to it, would you be interested in being a moderator?
Srini
January 28th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
I wrote my Congressman and also two Washington State Senators, stating my situation, asking them if there is any way to shorten the process to obtain a green card and so on. Not all answered yet, but their answers are very general…did not answer my question. They said that they support comprehensive immigration reform; my problems are important to them and so on. If a lot of people will write, it will make a difference I hope.
The forum idea sounds very good, I’d enjoy being a moderator.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Really enjoyed your post, thanks. I’ve only been in US since November so not feeling too bad about not working yet! But I’ve started volunteering and going to look at peer to peer lending and investing in stocks.
Jenny
March 5th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
i just hate my life right now… im on h4 visa
i am so depressed and i just can’t do anything… my husband is a perfect guy but i just can’t help myself everytime i look at the mirror.i saw a 25 yr old young woman with a degree, without a career and fully dependent to somebody.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I know perfectly what you mean; I came here when I was 26, now I am 29 almost and still have no job or prospects. I still contemplate leaving the country(sent CVs everywhere); I am still angry and very frustrated. The thing that keeps me going is that with all this unpleasantness, it’s still better than my country. Your depression will go away only if you make it go away. Focus on the positive things, visit stuff, go outside, volunteer at a park or somewhere you can make friends. I know you don’t feel like doing anything, but that’s depression. You can actually get sick if you don’t get out of it. What helped me was sports and denial.
March 13th, 2010 at 10:05 am
What’s frustrating me most under h4 status is not being able to help my family financially because I cant work.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Thanks for this post. I’m 24 and due for my H4 visa interview next month, I’ve been here for 2 months. I have a Physics degree and had just started a great career in London working in finance…I now wake up and start planning dinner. How depressing. I’m definitely going to look into these stocks, thanks so much.
May 13th, 2010 at 11:51 am
America seems like a big dream and sometimes I feel I am stuck inside a Gold Cage. If you tell anyone they think we are stupid to crib and we are lucky to be here. Only a person stuck in this situation can understand how it really feels to be Bored Beyond Belief . I sometimes find myself going nuts and yet I try and find things to do online.
One things is strange though wives of people who come on L1 can do work and we cant and there is nothing we can do. Even, though they are here on temporary basis. I wish they would allow us to work for some 10 hours a week. That would also be good.
Here I find myself eqippped with all my degrees and yet helpless. Rules are rules and yes you cant change them and a greencard seems dog years away. I have worked for 6 years and now not being able to work is not totally crazy but its a restriction when you have the knowledge and capability.
I hope to find new inventive ways to kill time. I just hope and pray God gives me the wisdom to sail through this time. What I miss is my financial independence and being free. But life is not always perfect. I just take one day at a time and make a schedule. That helps me and a hobby yes thats a plus. People who can study here it is one good thing to do. Yet, not everyone can do that too.
Volunteering, alas many places needed my social security number which I cant get.Ironical, still I can say there are many things you can do here you just need to dig deeper. I am still digging….
May 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Amy, I hear you.
You can get your SSN on H4 – anyone in US can. Just apply for one.
Read the post again. Try stocks or learn a trade that you can benefit from once you do get a visa. A lot of scientists, artists and entrepreners spend years perfecting something before it makes the first dollar. Think outside the box and prove to the rest of the world that you can thrive no matter what!
May 24th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Hi,
I’m a doctor from India on H4. Recently, i took all the steps needed for a medical licensing and i’m looking to apply for residency positions in the state of california. However, the medical board of california won’t process my application till i provide them with a ssn. So, my life sucks right now. Is there any way for me to get a ssn?
June 25th, 2010 at 7:38 am
Hi,
I am on H4 and like many I had a great career before I came here. Anyways, i am in Massachusetts and they say people on H4 are not eligible for SSN. Is that true? Any infos will be appreciated.
June 25th, 2010 at 7:39 am
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June 25th, 2010 at 9:07 am
You can get your SSN even while you are on H4. Just go ahead and apply, they’ll give it to you. People say a whole bunch of crap, don’t believe them. Make friends with a good immigration attorney that gives you good advice for a reasonable fee. And spend time on murthy forums. A lot of the basic questions are answered there.
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
It is difficult being on an H4 and not being able to work. I’m the son of an H1-B holder and I’m going to college. What’s really bad is that I have lived in the same state for 7 years now and I still have to pay international tuition rates…which is 3 times the regular price of instate tuition. It’s extremely not fair when illegal immigrants can use the Dream Act, which allows illegal students that have taken 3 years of high school in a state to get instate tuition at a public college or university. It really hurts to know that their rights are being put above ours. It’s not always fair, but I have e-mail my district representative, both my senators, and thew white house. I highly doubt they’ll get the message, but it’s worth a try. There is a program called FAIR (Federation of American Immigration Reform) which is trying to repeal the Dream Act. Hopefully it works so that our rights can at least somewhat be less humiliated…
September 8th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Hi..
I am on H4 from last two years and I want to say only one thing that on H4 you can not aplly for SSN or you can not get a SSN..
Thankx..
September 14th, 2010 at 10:37 am
I too am on an H4 visa, and after 5 years of trying all my options (J1, T4, F1 – received my master’s degree from a US school) I am no further ahead in my career than I was when I came to the USA from Canada, Bachelor’s degree in hand (other than a p/t job for one year on OPT where they couldn’t/wouldn’t sponsor an H1B so I had to resign when the OPT expired). My husband is an engineer, and has a good job, but I have been stuck in a vicious cycle of depression and denial while I desperately try to fill my days with volunteer work and going to the gym. It’s nice to know there are others stuck in the same situation, although I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. The only light at the end of my tunnel is to move back to Canada with my husband, forcing him to leave a great job just because I can’t work here
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November 8th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Nice discussion…but whats the outcome….even if we discuss so much on the matter …is it really going to work…many H4s has already lost their hope,their mental stability to do something…in due course of 4 5 or 6 years it is not impossible to loose the zeal….and it is true..i am very well qualified from my home country and opting for Masters here is not a good option for me and I am only left with the Phd options which includes a Masters in this country and a long commitment…which again I couldnt afford…and working without penny? it doesnt sound good to me….it is good for a week not for years….I am here for around 4 years in H4 and I think being on H4 is a curse…it is a home prison….I dont understand…how can an advanced country like USA doesnt understand that H4s are humans too….they also need some priviledges that other americans have.I wont say we should be given the rite of an citizen…but we are not that undeserving to get some of them….
January 18th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Hi Corina…very well written, inspiring, and informative! We’re all are aware of the identity crisis that many girls experience after they get married and come to the United States of America on a dependent visa, famously or infamously known as H-4 visa. The alarming number of stories about depression and loneliness experienced by H-4 wives inspired me to find a medium that would allow me to share my secret of leading a life full of happiness and sheer bliss while being on a dependent visa. And I thought the best medium to deliver my message would be through a book.
My book “H-4 Fortune Cookies” is dedicated to all the H-4 wives who believe that “life is a struggle” in a new country, especially when it involves leaving behind a well paying job, a stable career, or promising educational achievements in their respective home countries. It is for those who believe that they are not free despite living in a free country – “The Land of Opportunity”; that they have sacrificed and surrendered a significant part of themselves to their restrictive immigration statuses.
It contains 50 Inspirational Thoughts written by me, who was fortunate enough to have enjoyed every moment being a H-4 wife! I want to share my good fortune with all the H-4 wives in the form of these 50 Fortune Cookies that stood by me during tough times. I sincerely hope that the thoughts in my book spark a ray of hope in the lives of all those wives who left their homelands to be in a progressive country, yet feel constrained due to their immigration statuses. I deeply desire to liberate all the H-4 wives from their mental inhibitions and inspire them to realize their dreams while being on a dependent visa.
Share the good fortune by passing on these fortune cookies that are stocked with a lot of goodness and hope for all those who need a fresh perspective about “life on H-4″.
My book is available for FREE in the form of an e-book and can be downloaded from the following link:
http://sharesend.com/i4pvk
Experience the joy in spreading hope & inspiration through the fortune cookies in my book!
Lots of Happiness & Light
Sonia
January 24th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Hi Sonia,
I am reading your book & seems to be very inspirational.I came to US after marriage already have two master degrees and nothing is working towards job. Well I was in worst of moods when i started reading your book…but felt better.
Anyways I think all H4′s need something like this to boost uo confidence.
Thanks
R
January 25th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Hi Radhika…your words have truly made my day!
I’m so happy that my book is uplifting your spirits. Treat the time that you have on your hands right now to create a wonderful “present”, a new you! And always remember…it’s not the end of the world…it’s just a visa status after all
Good things will come your way only if you allow yourself to feel good and excited about things around you. When you focus on the positives…the negatives magically disappear. I truly hope you find peace, happiness, and a lot of light! And don’t forget to share the fortune cookies with your friends who are on H-4 visa
My book is now available on the following link:
http://sharesend.com/gah1f
And as you already know, its can be downloaded for free.
Sending you lots of light & tons of inspiration!
Sonia
January 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am
I am so frustrated that I am almost helpless now. Its my 2nd year here and still no work visa. I tried my best, did my CPA here, have CA from India and such good experience of around 6 years. I waited a lot, tried each company, applied for almost 2000 jobs, but nothing happened. This time also, like last time I am left empty handed. My husband company is not applying for GC and he is not willing to go back to India. I was so talented and independent back home and I feel helpless now. I tried committing suicide but the thought of my family stops me. No one helped me, even those who could have. I hate US, I never wanted to come here but destiny brought me. My husband is loving and supportive but he also got frustrated when I shared my problem, he says dont repeat this I know…but its me only who knows how it feels to be at home all alone, do house work and nothing…..I hate these stupid US laws, these IT companies, because if which these visa laws are screwed since past 2 years and no company is ready to apply for a non US citizen. If someone want to help me then tell me how can I commit suicide easily, any easy ways?? I am sorry but this is the end…I cant wait anymore..everything I tried failed, failed and failed…
January 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Dear Frustrated,
I urge you to read my book available on the link below. Please download it and read it over and over again until you start valuing your life. And believe me, nothing defines the “end of the world”, unless you let it! Please feel fortunate that you have a loving & supportive husband. As I’ve mentioned in my previous comment addressed to Radhika, focus on the positives in your life, and I assure you the negatives will take a back seat. You will find solutions to your current problem in ways that you would have never imagined.
I truly heart my book inspires you to live a happier life…
http://sharesend.com/gah1f
Sending lots of light & happiness your way
Sonia
January 27th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Dear frustrated,
You need professional help. Really. Go talk to a counselor – together with your husband. Life is a LONG journey with sometimes seemingly long dark patches. But everyone comes out of it.
Please don’t talk about suicide here, you bring everyone else’s morale down. We are all dealing with problems and trying to come out of it. We don’t need that kind of negativity. Plus, it’s a potential liability to us..
Listen, if you were that smart that you have a CPA and a CA (which is quite incredible, really, darn most people I know grow old just trying to get their CA done), then why can’t you figure a way out? Why not write a book that compares CA and CPA. Release it in India through a small publishing company or even just an Ebook. Why not use all that knowledge about accounting and finance and start a blog where you identify companies that are committing accounting fraud – trust me a LOT of investors will be interested in that kind of information and it’ll set you up for fanstastic work when you do have a visa. Or how about learning a new hobby, or perhaps teaching poor kids Math as a volunteer?
I apologize me for being presumptuous, but the problem is not that there’s no way out, just that you don’t want to look in the right direction..Stuff like “I never wanted to do it but destiny brought me there” is for losers. Wake up, it’s your life, you make the rules. Stop victimizing yourself, do what it takes to feel happy and excited.
Pick a random 10 people in the world and ask them if they’d take your spot instead of theirs. I bet they would..
If your husband reads this post, and if he still shuts you out and won’t listen or work with you, then I won’t really call him a “loving and supportive”..in fact, sounds like he’s far from that…but may be there’s more to it…like I said, you need to talk to a counselor – WITH YOUR HUSBAND. I’ve done it and I know they put things in perspective and help cut through the maze of complexity that life is..
January 27th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Hi Sonia,
I admire your ability to speak of the H4 situation as if you were an outsider. Almost everything you say in the book is correct, but for the average H4 holder is very hard to be so detached and see the potential. The book is a great idea and helpful, although a bit idealistic for me(for instance you spoke about unconditional love between spouses wich is false, love between spouses is conditional).
January 27th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Hi Corina…I am an average H4 holder. And it really is not hard to be detached when you realize that you have the power to choose. Choose to focus on “what is good” rather than “what is bad”. I have talked about offering unconditional love, support, and mental strength to your spouse which in my opinion is more powerful than materialism….and yes your partner is dependent on you for these things…the ‘real’ things.
I’m glad you read my book and truly hope it inspires you, if not completely, but on some level.
Wishing you lots of light & happiness
Sonia
January 27th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Hello Frustrated,
The second year of H4 is tough… By now you know where you stand, you have to choose a path and commit to it. Either you accept the fact that you will be a housewife for the next x years or try to find an alternative: Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zeeland… I was back and forth between these two options for 3 unhappy years and after I started being at peace as a housewife. I realized that I cannot control the job situation and I have to let go and accept it. Part of the decision was my husband that had no intention of going back to our home country and I know now he was right. Believe me, you cannot think clearly right now. It seems that you are a person that cannot be fulfilled unless you work, just like me. It is a shame to waste all that education and experience, but it’s even more of a shame to waste your mental health with dark thoughts. The worst thing you could do is despair. Talk to your parents or with people that are going through the same thing. Only H-4s can understand how we feel, our husbands only know that we are making them miserable, and in all fairness, it’s not their fault the immigration system is a nightmare. Take a break from looking for a job, focus on networking instead. You have a much better chance to be called to an interview if you are referred by an employee. If it all fails, remember my motto: every kick in the butt is a step forward!
January 27th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Sonia,
H-4s are always in need of hope and support, keep up the good work and when you feel inspired, write some more, why not some posts on this blog! I am a fan
January 28th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Thanks Corina
…that’s sweet. I would love to write some posts on this blog. Anything to make a H4 wife feel hopeful & positive…
January 30th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Hello All,
I feel good that there are so many others sailing in the same boat.I worked in India for more than seven years and had a wonderful carreer.I tried for a tranfer after marriage in my company’s US office, but was not successul since the company didnt want to file for H1B…lemme name my employer…Hewlett Packard…
I tried a lot of ways of ways to get a work permit but nothing worked…I am a post graduate already, but I have decided to take up another MBA so that I use these beautiful years of my life and do something productive.
I am still on H4, paying a high fee….but at the end what matters is …being happy….I plan to convert my H4 into F1 and take an on campus job so that I can at least pay off my fees….I have friends who have gone back to India since they were depressed and lonely.Girls…if we do that we will only pain our parents… and have a broken marriage.
Good news is that I heard someone tell me that companies like microsoft and Google have a lot of H1 employees and they have issues that their spouse cannot work.So these companies have raised a petition to allow the H4s to work like L2s.
Also I just signed this link,
http://www.petitiononline.com/H4VISA/petition.html
You may find it funny….but lets just contribute…
All the best…so far i feel getting into a school is the best option if you want to have some light in your life….
Take is easy…you all have a great family…live for them….love yourself and have fun….
February 1st, 2011 at 7:02 am
Hi all,
Thanks for your lovely replies. I am very sorry for writing all that crap…I was very much frustrated that day..Yes, we are thinking to move somewhere else. We both have thought so much about this and now we have decided, but that will too take some time. My husband is supporting me in every way possible, he understands my situation. He wants me to do some certification. He said, why dont I increase my market value so much that no one can reject my application. Also, in other countries, the work visa is not an issue like US. I am so happy that we are leaving this country. Hope that we dont have to return, if we have to then only with a good position and work authorization. Thanks all for your support, hope this plan works out and I am out of this endless wait forever…I wish, this law should pass for H4 to allow them to work like L2s or girls who come here on H4 should be prepared mentally very well, as now its not at all easy to get a work visa (at least for another 3-4 years). May God be with us!!
Best wishes..
February 1st, 2011 at 10:18 am
Hi Frustrated,
I’m glad you are in better spirits; good luck and hang in there!
February 14th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Hi Everyone,
I am a Canadian PR and currently stay in US on H4. I had three rounds of interviews with this company and just got rejected today after they found out that I would need a H1B sponsorship. I was disappointed…but life still needs to go on…I am in Seattle. If anyone of you are from the same place and would like to chat or spend some time together, feel free to drop me a line. My email is binbinf.sh@gmail.com
March 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Hello Everyone,
This blog is really inspiring!!And I want to thank all the people who wrote threads(Including Dear frustrated).Yes I am also on H4,and was looking for some good things about H4(Which are very rarely found) and I am glad I have seen this blog.
H4 sucks this is global anthem for me!!But what next,I too feel very much depressed but it will not help,it can only break my confidence!!so I stop thinking about this anthem and trying to add more and more things to my Resume.And trust me it can help us.
So don’t loose hope ladies,Market is going up and we can achieve H1.
Cheers to that spirit
March 17th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Hi All,
I have been going through this complete post. I came to US two months back on H1 and my wife is working back in India, I know you might be thinking why I didn’t brought her along.
Well there are two major reasons:
1) Being on H1 you don’t know whether you will be getting an extension for another 3 yrs once you term is over. If you get an extension its fine if not you will need to go back to India and start over from scratch.
2) Its the same that all you have been asking H4 are not allowed to work. I understand that mostly 90% of the women will accompany her husband to US but for it seems as if I will be binding her to household stuff whereas she will be loosing her own identity there.
So we planned to visit one another for a month every 6 months, so that she can be working in India and continuing her ambitions and I am here.
Although we will be looking for somehow to get her a H1 sponsorship so that she can be here and work as well.
I do understand all your concerns and thoughts, but when I got the H1 approval my wife did not asked me not to go for it knowing that she wont be going to get work permit in US. Imagine if my wife got H1 would I have accompanied her on H4 no so why she should leave her career and come along with me.
It is hard to live alone and have no one to be with you, but when I was bachelor I was in the same scenario, I can learn sports, go to gym, learn dancing go for clubbing and enjoy my life. Its just an advice to all men think the vice versa, imagine your wife getting an H1 How would have you reacted?
I read in one of the threads that ask any 10 people would they like to come to US on H4, Well I think out of 10, 9 will say yes just to explore US and learn new things. The moment the excitement is over they will be back here posting something on this thread.
So all the ladies out here I do understand your point and as of now we can’t do anything till US Laws permit.
But yes you can learn dancing, Painting, cooking and can even go back to India and participate in Reality Shows
Take Care
March 29th, 2011 at 9:01 am
For those who are asking about SSN? yes, you can get a social security number,written on it, aside from the number is “not valid for employment”
ahhh… I can’t say anything more.,all has been said sooo correctly.. Being on H4 is never easy.. I feel depressed most of the time. I tried to get involve in some activities but it can never replace what I really want to do in my life and that is to be nurse..again..licensed but can’t work. Employers turned you down,after learning that they still need to sponsor you. It’s been 2 years since my last employment.What would become of me, I’m not marketable anymore.Getting a masters degree,is the best option! but with 3 kids to raise,it will not be the right option, financially incapable.
Kept thinking of a way out of this and even thinking of leaving my husband ,just so I could have a career once again. But I can’t do that.
Still hoping for the best..
March 29th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Dear RN on H4,
You are a strong mother of 3 kids. You are capable in every way that you can imagine. Please don’t lose faith. Treat this period of your life as a learning ground, as every bleak moment holds an opportunity and opens a door to a fascinating and a magical future. I urge you to read my book which is available as a free download on the following link:
http://sharesend.com/gah1f
Download my eBook, grab a hot cup of coffee, sit back and feel inspired as you H-4 Fortune Cookies – a collection of 50 Inspirational Thoughts for H-4 wives written by me…a H-4 wife.
Lots of Light & Best Wishes to You
Sonia
March 29th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
I don’t know if anyone has tried this or done any research about this, I am just thinking if we could file an official petition about this issue. We are a group of highly educated ppl and we are capable of making contribution to this country and making our life better. Why are we deprived of our legitimate working opportunities while L2 can get SSN and work freely. While everyone is complaining here, why don’t we do something? Not sure if we can make a real CHANGE, but at least we have a voice, a voice that needs to be heard. I am planning to do more research on this and would like to know if anyone is interested. If so, pls contact me at binbinf.sh@gmail.com.
March 29th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Hey, I guess there is a group that has already researched a lot on filing a petition to get a work permit for H4s. The irony is the L2 can work but H4 cannot. I really dont understand the partiality amongst the visas.
Here is the link to sign the petition.
http://www.petitiononline.com/H4VISA/petition.html
@binbin, I will send you an email and we can talk about it.
April 22nd, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Noel, I deleted your comments – not because of what your opinions are – but because of the abusive language and inappropriate manner in which your thoughts were conveyed.
If you would like to share your thoughts in a civil manner, please re-post your comment.
April 22nd, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Please sign up on this…may be it helps… lets do our peice of work !!
http://www.petitiononline.com/H4VISA/petition.html
April 24th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
hello all.
Male here, on h4 for 5 years now, I have 3 to 5 years to get work permit, mmay be more.
it is not beautiful but one thing I learned: if you are on h4, then you cannot make money working, but you can SAVE money by doing many things yourself (as well as filing joint tax returns)
.I clean the car, forget carwash (20 dollars saved per month)
.I babysit my 2 infants (1000 dollars saved per month)
.I shop on ebay and other websites and save a lot of money
.I made 2 wonderful babies and enjoyed them more than if I was working in an office with their pic on the desk
.I am the “wise man” and the “concierge” of the community because I spend my time on google and observing people
I loved the fact that someone said u can write a book and publish it when u get ur green card but I wouldn’t bet on it myself (I am a good writer but I also know that first timer projects fail 90% of the time, so green card here, ur book will get rejected by the publishing house 90% of the times). Go for something with a shorter return on time invested, like extreme or moderate couponing.
so just thought I would give you people my way of getting the best out of it.
April 24th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
I estimate that I save (Excluding the joint return benefit and the kids daycaring) around 1000 dollars per month versus if I was working, and that’s dollar for dollar after tax money that goes into the savings.
suppose u were working , u would be making 4000 average pretax and hence 3000 post tax, minus fuel and car expenses to go to work, burger king or mcdonalds lunch at work, u would be left with 2300 post tax.
so your actual pay would be 1300 dollars higher than if u were at home on h4 preparing the coupons and fixing a couple of things yourself.
as a conclusion:
your spouse is on h1b, he/she makes the money. instead of making more money(which is taxable by state and federal and takes you into a higher tax bracket), you can do what I do and reduce your post tax expenses.
it’s not that good but it’s not that bad!
April 30th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Hello,
I had opened US trading account, when i was in INDIA, 3 months.
Now i am on H4 visa in USA, can i still continue trading as it is, or i have to resend updated W8-BEN form with USA address and ITIN no. to Brokerage firm.
Confused on whether i have to pay TAX in India or USA
Thanks.
May 5th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Hello All, this has been a VERY INTERESTING read. I have been on H4 for almost 3 years now and in the beginning I was absolutely miserable!! Like so many others, I had a fantastic career doing what I enjoyed back home, and 1 mth before coming here I was also offered a full Post Grad scholarship to New Zealand. All that I gave up because I preferred to keep my family together, a wonderful husband and 2 boys. I find now that being on h4 has been a blessing in disguise!! We are in CA and my sons are in a public elementary school. I have been so disappointed in the education system since coming here that I have been giving my sons parallel home schooling. I prepare schedules, and work with them all the time. Because of it, my younger son spent one week in kindergarten and was then promoted to first grade (had it not been for his age they may have had to move him to second grade already!!!!) My older boy is also at the top of his class!! Had I been working and depending on this Off Track American education system to educate my children, I would have been even more depressed.
I say this to encourage us all, like Sonia keeps saying, to look for the positive side of things, there’s always one. Had I gone to NZ to study and split my family, I’m not sure we would still be happily married 11 years now. Had I accepted that my son had to be 6 to start kindergarten and waited for them to educate him, he would still be learning phonemics instead of reading at the 3rd grade level. Had I been working, one way or another, my household would not have been the well oiled machine it is because of all the extra time I have do get all the things done (totally agree with “till the endless ends”).
So guys and gals, let’s look at this at this as just another phase in life, how we get out of this on the other side is totally up to us. We just have to remember that our self worth is not determined by WHAT we do and how much we earn, it is what you make it!! Carry on!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
hello every1..this is a very interesting topic…like evrybody here me too was depressed after being on h4 visa for 1 yr….i know its not long enuf…and i have plenty of opportunities on my hand..first of them is too study..but tht requires a lot of financial aid and with a 2 yr toddler on hand and second one cuming in 4 months inshAllah…i think this option is prtty darn hopeless rite now…so for the remaning four months i plan to get my drivers liscence and to excel in religion more and to be a role model for my kiddos..to have more and more fun with my toddler for the time being…but i need some ideas as he is extrmely physical and does not sit down for more then 5 mins…so need some ideas to make his learning more physical..well i was never a career oriented person nor do i have a professional degree…although i do plan on studying more a bit later on in life..but i do say its wish i could atleast sell my arts and crafts on etsy shop but when i googled it…they say its illegal..i find your post v interesting..gives me more motivation to work with my kids..goodluck to evry1
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:04 am
Join the group on Facebook
H4 VISA, a curse. Lets do something to uproot this evil
June 23rd, 2011 at 12:45 am
jie, talk to your accountant or broker. i am almost positive that you can continue to trade that account here without any issues…just need to pay tax in India for your Indian capital gains.
June 23rd, 2011 at 12:52 am
sss, education doesn’t have to be school. read blogs, go to the Khan Academy, watch videos on your topic of academic interest on youtube, it’s almost too easy to learn about things these days. If you get further along, buyooks etc.
i know it mighe be illegal but if you have arts and craft, you can probably sell it on craigslist or some other local channel. Or sell it online on etsy through a friend. There are always little workarounds like that – grey area – but hey, every one of us has treaded grey area for something somewhere in life. Don’t over-do it. If it grows beyond a hobby, explore alternatives – such as donating your work for a good cause – and build the skill and then sell it for money later on in life.
If you like the arts, that’s perfect. Just hoard your pieces and sell them all at once in a “gallery” later.
I recently watched this documentary about street artists. That’s totally illegal and they are doing it and making money from it. What you are doing is far less cheesier…
June 23rd, 2011 at 12:56 am
gtgyal, thanks for sharing your story here…it’s easy to get bogged down and totally miss the positive side of this situation…it takes a lot of courage to do it, but people like you exemplify it…I agree…life is about struggling to find that harmony but many of us spend a lifetime understanding it and by then it’s too late…thanks..
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 am
RJ, a quick piece of feedback – the petition mentions women in specific whereas there are plenty of H4 men out there. I would also also substantiate why getting H1 is not an option and why the situation really is hopeless. Also, just saying that it’s good for the US doesn’t cut it. Consider citing experts or adding more facts/numerical analysis or links to credible sources that discuss this issue and are in support of your petition.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Hi everyone,
Is there any chance of US congress allowing h4 people to work.
July 17th, 2011 at 2:35 am
Repealing “Not allowed to work without DHS authorisation”
Hello everyone,
I have the final and legal solution for us that will repeal “Not allowed to work without DHS authorisation” effective soon !
Recession? it is not a legal excuse to override the constitution. We want to legally repeal “not allowed to work without DHS authorisation”
I have a brilliant 3 parts solutions for us. We need all 3 parts in order to get a work permit and its budget is minimal.
part 1:Get the media attention on part 3.
part 2:pressure humanitarian activists to represent us in part 3 since they are well established and US citizens and do not risk deportation.
Part 3: have the activists place a lawsuit against those who deny us our legal constitutional right work (from employers and onwards).
part 1:
The solution I propose is to get media attention by googling the contact information, the contact us pages and emails of employees of any type of media and
emailing/contacting them by phone, etc…, asking them to write about our cause and about part 3 (the illegal way we are treated).
we can email reuters, cnn but we can also email XYZ or johnDoe at the city radio station, the public radio, we can email and email and email everyone until
we get attention to our cause: our right to work.
We must all act now. we must email together random people of the media.(Google them, many have a contact us form where you can send anonymous information)
there is no immediate point in emailing attourneys or congress or politicians because we need public support first and not a deportation order!
the media and activists are the ones who advance by helping us.
so let’s call today, 7/17 the “I want to work” day.
so again, 7/17 (2011) is the first anniversary of the international “I want to work” day.
part 2: do the same: We must also contact/email activists and human rights organisations (google them, many have a contact us form where you can send
anonymous information)
part 3:
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To Whom it may concern:
We would like to raise awareness about the following human rights issue which affects at least an estimated 5 million persons in the US ( based on the 60 000 yearly h1b available visa numbers and average visa processing times in different EB categories for different nationalities, Tourists and Other visitors from Canada and other countries who are not allowed to work without a work visa):
Human rights in the United States are legally protected by the Constitution of the United States and amendments, conferred by treaty, and enacted
legislatively through Congress, state legislatures, and plebiscites (state referenda).
Article 23.1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:
“Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favorable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.”
The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights elaborates the right to work in the context of individual freedoms and economic, social
and cultural development. The Covenant also elaborates the role of the state in realising this human right. Article 6 states:
“The State Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right to work, which includes the right of everyone to the opportunity to gain his living by work
which he freely chooses or accepts, and will take appropriate steps to safeguard this right. The steps to be taken by a State party to the present Covenant
to achieve the full realization of this right shall include technical and vocational guidance and training programmes, policies and techniques to achieve
steady economic, social and cultural development and full and productive employment under conditions safeguarding fundamental political and economic freedoms
to the individual.”
“An H-4 visa is a visa issued by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to immediate family members (spouse and children under 21 years of
age) of the H-1B visa holders. H-4 visa holders [...] cannot be employed”
In other words, the constitution’s legal protection to the Human Rights says that everyone has the right to work and there are a third of a million people in
the US legally who are not allowed to be employed.
The words “not allowed to work without DHS authorisation” printed on Social security numbers of H4 visa holders who were able to obtain an SSN are therefore
unconstitutional.
Everyone means people on h1b, people on h4, people who lost their immigration documentation and not guilty of any crime, people waiting for adjustment of status, and even tourists. Everyone includes everyone.
Therefore we demand from human rights activists to consider placing a class action lawsuit against any employer and any entity who denies a human the right to work.
We ask for immediate (upon verdict) notification of all people informed that they are not allowed to work or who have employer restrictions placed upon them that they are now allowed to work for any employer.
We also ask for the abolition of Everify work eligibility aspect and its replacement with a note that explains that everyone is allowed to work in the US and the labour discrimination based on citizenship and other aspects is illegal.
We also ask for public broadcasting to who it may concern and labour departments that all persons present in the US are allowed to work effective immediately (upon verdict).
We also ask for the right of prosecution of any company (recruiting or the employing company) who lists any job advertising US citizenship and/or special visa as requirements for consideration.
We also ask that damages be restituted retroactively to: h4, visitors , some students on F1 and other persons not allowed to work (this means everyone whose name comes out as not allowed to work when checked on E-verify)
Missed work opportunities based on prevailing rates for the credentials of the person denied to work for the duration of the period of work denial
Mental harm and distress caused by the well documented deprivation of the right to work and the stay at home
Spousal distress and marital tensions and perhaps divorces that were partially caused by the deprivation of the right to work and other mental and or physical harms
Compensation for persons who were deported and/or separated from their families because they were suspected of or guilty of working and we also ask for ).
In particular, we also mention the following but not only harms (TORT’s law):
“Abuse of process: A malicious and deliberate misues or pervision of regularly issued court process not justified by the underlying legal action.”
“Malicious prosecution: Similar to abuse of process, but includes intent, pursuing without probable cause, and dismissal in favor of the victim. In some jurisdictions, malicious prosecution is reserved for the wrongful initiation of criminal proceedings, while malicious use of process refers to the wrongful
initiation of civil proceedings.”
and we mention:
“Title VII prohibits employers from basing employment decisions on an individual’s national origin. Any discriminatory employment decision is covered by Title VII, including:(24)
Recruitment
Hiring
Promotion
Transfer
Wages and benefits
Work assignments
Leave
Training and apprenticeship programs
Discipline
Layoff and termination
The following subsections discuss the application of Title VII’s bar on national origin discrimination to various types of employment decisions.”
Therefore, whom is concerned, we ask that you help the constitution protected cause and since you are a US citizen immune from deportation, please help us spread awareness because many of us would not dare be scapegoats.
The roughly and at least 5 million people present not allowed to work freely in the US.
Quick References:
[1] wikipedia: Human Rights In The United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_States
[2] wikipedia: Right To Work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_work
[3] wikipedia: Outline of tort law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_tort_law
[4] wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-4_visa
[5] http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/national-origin.html#II paragraph “employment decisions”
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So, come on, open google or yahoo and let’s do this… you don’t even need to open your personal email if you don’t want, just search for your local news, local activists and click on contact us and copy part 3 (from //////////// until /////////////)
PS:we must all keep together and report not only on this but on every website related to h4 and human rights and every social media (make several groups) the information and status of any of these lawsuits so that we are all aware and raise further awareness.
Power to the media and the constitution!
And thank you endlesswait.com for helping us.
July 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 am
Hello endlesswait,
My earlier looong post has not been showing (the one of repealing not allowed to work), I don’t mind if you edit part of it as you see fit but please do include my post.
I am sorry to remain anonymous, but I would rather be anonymous then be seen as an activist “working” on the h4 cause…
sincerely
July 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 am
wow, this sounds encouraging! how would you like to start?
July 23rd, 2011 at 10:59 am
This is a collective thing, so we all need to contact the media (the guys who publish) and get their attention to this.
I am pretty sure your local junior editor would be pretty interested in writing about this issue in a local newspaper.
soon the issue will get the attention of higher ranking media outlets and we hope this will provide the people on h4 (and others) with their human right to work
so I suggest we start each one of us by going to your local media website (newspaper, radio station) or googling for junior and senior editors and emailing them either an excerpt of the above or a link to this web page or whatever way you can write and explain to them the issue.
yes, bb, your actions are needed and the best thing is that you can email from their contact us form on their website if you wish anonymity.
we all need the right to work, unless you are happy on your h4 with the work restriction.
long live the human rights…and 7/17 the international “I want to work” day
let’s repeal the “not allowed to work” together!
let’s do this!
http://www.google.com
http://www.yahoo.com
http://www.google.com/maps?q=newspaper+near+zip+code+90210 after clicking the link, replace the zip code with your current zip code or city or town name
read this article, it has a lot of useful info
http://www.bukisa.com/how-to/submit-a-news-tip
your feedback bb and other feedbacks are most welcome. we need each other !
August 9th, 2011 at 8:17 am
I sent a few emails to my regional news 2 weeks ago and I am sending again today.
I am also going to spend several 42 (or 44) cents stamps and send a postal letter to some addresses of interest… may be having a personal letter will get them to read it !
courage my friends!
August 12th, 2011 at 8:38 am
I sent this today girls:
To: info@humanrightsusa.org
Subject: human rights Article 23.1 broken in the US
Message:
Please refer to the following link for more info
http://www.humanrightsusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=70
o Whom it may concern:
…same text as above posts…
thank you for everything you guys do
an small scale activist
August 12th, 2011 at 8:41 am
if someone has better english writing than me, please write article on yahoo contributor network and share link with everybody
https://contributor.yahoo.com/signup.html
Where your voice joins the world’s conversations.
The Yahoo! Contributor Network allows writers, photographers, and videographers to share their knowledge and passion with hundreds of millions of people worldwide.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 am
Firstly Brilliant work on the article bit. Thanks guys if feel good to see people think alike.. I’m on H4 too and wondering like other H4′s do about what next.. I see only failures and failures.. Most of the H4 are already carrying Master degree again to invest and study same thing without any certainty about job doesn’t leave any hope to me. when no work its hard even to think of investing/Business n a wrong move can lose what we have too.. I never understood the logic when L2 can get a work permit why can an H4 get? both are non immigrants.. How does it make any difference.. Feels useless, aimless and helpless.. Don’t want to stop Spouse career development nor leave and go back to home country.. I guess just hoping and waiting for some miracle!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am
Revathi…there are miracles everywhere! Keep an open mind and opportunities will knock on your door. There’s something good in every bad situation. Look back on your life and you’ll get what I’m trying to say here. If you are feeling useless, aimless, and helpless, download my book from the link below for free:
http://sharesend.com/9q52k
It may not offer you a direct solution, but will inspire you to find one.
Sending lots of light & happiness your way
Sonia
August 22nd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
I have contacted a high profile lawyer on their website, their name is
http://www.messersmithlaw.com
I will contact a couple more lawyers since no one seems to have contacted lawyers
September 30th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Great stuff fellow H4ians! I am glad I landed here and founded some terrific information..
I also came across the following whitehouse petition that needs our signature. Please sign and pass on
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/allow-h-4-visa-member-work-legally/N7wKxBpN?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
Keep smiling and don’t ever ever lose HOPE!
September 30th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Apologies, I think the previous link isnt working! So, here it is….
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/allow-h-4-visa-member-work-legally/N7wKxBpN
October 23rd, 2011 at 5:05 pm
I am trying to understand the concept of H4 visa’s also. I have been on different visa’s for most of my life since 7 years of age when my mom came to study on an F1. But now that I am 19 and on an H4 visa I feel so trapped. I am in my third year of college and feel horrible that i have to depend on my parents to pay every cent of my tuition especially since I am limited in state funding. I am hoping to go to medical school and the school I wish to attend only takes permanent residents. I am stuck and hate it!
November 5th, 2011 at 2:57 am
Hi,
I was very touched by this post…it is my situation right now and it gives me tremendous heartache literally. Anyways, I have a question.
I am H4 visa holder and have got a Phd in Canada. Can I have both Canada Study permit and will be allowed to retain H4 status as well since I would want to come and meet my husband as and when I want while I am studying in Canada.
Please help!
November 9th, 2011 at 12:16 am
hi there ,grt posts…all the comments are so true here…it’s like everyone is pouring from their heart. And this is for the first time i am opening my thoughts & experince on H4 visa status as i am also sailing on the same boat of H4
I am an engineer + MBA+ work ex of 3 yr…:-( my life changed, when i came to US leaving behind whatever i had. I think staying on H4 visa is the worst thing can happen to anyone.i feel miserable, depressed what not…oh it’s unspeakable…being on H4 visa is like u are paralyzed, just see the world dont move ur body parts. Now i have decided to join some college hoping that someday something good will happen in my life.
November 17th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Hi,
I am on H4 visa and I am good at painting. Is it legal to start my business of hand painted greetings and fabrics?
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 am
hi,
I am currently on L2 and am working at a call centre in US. My husband is switching his job and now i would be on H4. I have been here since July 2010 but managed to get a job only in august of this year.
I know it is not easy for educated and independent women to live on H4 but for me, finding a job even with L2 was quite tough because most of the American companies do not recognize foreign degrees or work exp.
Anyway, i am hoping for the best and looks like that my options will be quite limited.
December 12th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
hello,,
after reading all messages and its boosting reply made fresh uping my nind.. its best…
January 1st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Hello,
I would like to add to this status to all people that have F2 visa. We are in a similar situation, but a little bit worst. WE ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO STUDY.
I have been living in USA for 6 years or so and the frustration is part of my life. I just think in the way to go back to my country an get my life again. I am not growing in any way and the expectations of being in my country are not the best option for us, after my husband has a overspecialized studies and in our country there is almost not job in this area. I tried to get the TOEFL in order to apply for a scholarship and change my status, but my English level was not enough and we were not available to pay for a course, so I went to a school to ask if I could take just some hours, but they told me that was not possible because the law does not permit me to study full time, just some hours and in free places, so I try the adult education places, but the level is different in each stated and some offer very low level.
I though many times to send a mail to the government but never do. I thought “many people is in my situation and no one has tried to send a mail, probably for the fear to be sending to your country, because went you came to this country, you are notify about it” and the least that you want is to affect your spouse and family.
Also a very difficult situation that is affront in this position is the relationship that you have with your partner. He or she is in advantage, not just for the grade that he/she is acquiring professionally but also for many thing that came to my mind such as: First, the options that I will have if we get someday a green card or the day that we came back to our country, I certainly will be in disadvantage, here because my degree is not accepted and there because all the years that I have not working, because my country is not like here. Second, all that women that has suffer violence in any grade, I listened about a couple that had seriously problems and the women suicide. Thirst, all that relationship that finish in divorce for this cause. And personally I have been affected in socialization, after I pass many time alone.
Nowdays I feel much better because I have two little kids who keep me very busy, but someday I would like to be independent and have the opportunity to make something else and work to achieve my dreams. I hope soon get H4 visa and take some courses to improve my English and with luck we get the green card soon.
It is amazing how in this country could happen it in this days
.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
hello,
the h4 visa is a heavy burden.
even if I get the green card after 3 years (they are going 3 weeks every month on yearly aveage), who is going to hire me ?!?!
I have suffered so much on h4 that I wanted to go to canada and abandon the immigration process. but then again, canada is not going to take me and give me a good job because i have been on h4 for so long, no work experience. fresh canadian graduates will be priority, old people like me will be the last choice. (plus it takes 2 years or so to get your canadian paperwork ready sent and aproved)
my wife who was my long time friend (9 years before marriage) has been on h1b for so long that she became an abusive dictator at home and very independent.
the h4 ruined my career, my family and hence my life.
going back to my home country to stay at my parent’s house, help dad in his shop (and make real money after so many years), leaving the wife who became too “americanized” and has lost her family values.
Q:”what did you do in the last x years?”
answer: “babysitting, cleaning the dishes, couponing”
Q:”what is your engineering, contracting and project management experience?”
answer:”I was a subcontractor at home installing state of the art diapers and my latest project was a lasagna (I have a PMP degree) with risk management (I prepared the kitchen gloves ahead of time) and Quality control (I tested random samples of the lasagna before serving using 6 sigmas achieving 99.997% quality)
Q:”what was your last salary”
A:”my wife didn’t give me an allowance so I was more of a passive shareholder”
Q:”when would you be available for work?”
A:”in 3 years when I get my green card or you can do an h1b visa for me send it in april and effective october of the following year with a 50%chance or aproval and your company pays the 5 to 7 000 processing fees non refundable”
Q:”we will call you if we need you for a second interview”.
this is is my last post, it is 2:23 AM
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
My husband and I both got Ph.D.s from American universities. He found a job, I didn’t. Since the US government has stamped me with the “dependent” label and keeps me from earning a living, he has become increasingly abusive. Whenever I don’t do what he wants, he threatens to divorce me. By now, I’d like nothing better, but he knows that I would have to leave the US. The abuse ranges from insults, yelling, constant put-downs to sexual extortion. Any advice? Should I kill myself already now, or wait a few more years?
January 24th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Hi Lois, I can feel what you are going through! I have been in the same boat before. Please don’t even think of killing yourself..Life is precious..you need to stand up for yourself to stop this abuse. Just because you are on dependent visa – doesnt mean you have committed a crime! You are an educated female..Please look for your options..If things have gotten really bad and the relation has lost its respect…consider contacting an immigration abuse committee or the like! I am sure they’ll be able to help you and please look up your options..I am pretty sure I saw a visa once that says, If your partner abuses or dies – you are legally entitled to stay here or something of that sort! God Bless.
January 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Hi Endlesswait and All,
It was interesting to read the article and the comments left by all the ppl on H4. I could so relate to it. I am a woman in similar situation, got married to a H1B holder, been in US on H4 for 4 years now. I am very well qualified, CA from India, did a CPA, CMA and currently doing CFA (final level). I had 5 yrs of past work-ex with a very big co. I tried a lot to get an H1B sponsored in US since the time I came here, but to no avail. Finally, after 3.5 yrs of being here (i.e. some months back) we got our Green cards & I thought it was the end of my woes! But, alas, even after getting GC, as someone rightly pointed out above, I am not able to get a job as Cos now seem to pick on the fact that I have been out of work for 4 yrs (so, I am not updated blah blah…). I don’t know what to do. On one hand, I love being in the US, but I know my career will never be the same here, which I am not willing to accept after studying so much!
So, here we are, even after getting GC here and being well qualified, we are forced to think on lines of returning back to my country. Of course, in my case, I have a super wonderful husband, who is very loving and supportive of me, so there is just no complaining on that front. And, because he is also very well educated, he will have a great job too back in our ctry, so its not as difficult for me. But, it definitely means 4 valuable work yrs lost for me which I won’t ever get back and also the shattering of the big American dream!
February 14th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Hello All,
I am on H1, spotted this looking for something for my wife. I can feel her frustration but could not help, find an outlet. I suggested her to get a drivers license first and volunteer at a local library. I saw few posts where H4s are struggling without SSN. The work around would be appliying for an ITIN (Tax Identification number) and also obtaining a SSN denial letter from local SSN office. Those with a copy of valid visa on passport are enough for any background check or where SSN is needed. Long process but it works.
I suggested my wife to learn anything she want from youtube, wikipedia, google, etc until we receive an admission letter for her PhD. Good luck all and hope the rules change soon.
February 14th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
hello chanti.
a letter of SSN denial MAY or MAY NOT work. an ITIN may or may not work.
ASK THE DMV of your state first. Ask a bunch of DMVs, rules may be applied differently in different locations.
In NC in 2007, they did did not accept letter of SSN denial.
they accepted ITIN at one DMV but not the other.
weird. so check first.
one thing is fishy in your posting so please can you clarify: you are on H1 so you have a bachelors degree. you suggested your wife learn anything from youtube? wikipedia?
may be you would rather want her to “google” to get an online education which ends up in a certification that would benefit her in the future.
the second fishy thing is that you spotted this looking for something for your wife on valentine day and you posted this also on valentine day….
humm, something is fishy. so may be I am wrong and you wanted to offer her a way to improve her life while on h4 so you found this post.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
has anyone heard about te new rule,that employment authorization may be given to h4 holders ?
February 20th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Hi,
I was reading the post that everyone has written. seems like H4 is a curse for majority of people. I also got married recently 3 months back. My husband wanted to move to USA but he refused the great offer because i won’t be able to work. I forced him a lot to move because the offer was awsome. but now after reading all the Post i think he took the right decision for me. i am working & its been 2 years now.
while reading your post one thing that came to my mind ( don’t know if it is legal or not)its just a thought.
some of you are really good writers then why don’t you guys group together discuss a script & try making a short film on the lives of H4 people & release it from the home country. while relasing from indian publisher you can get the legal papers signed from him about the profit share & whatever is requried . I am sure there might be indian lawers who are holding H4 visa & getting frusted.this whole thing might take 3-4 months with lot of research but then who knows you guys might land up earning & also US govt will get to know the pain. this also won’t take might of your money. some of H4 visa holders must be good photographers make the movie with the vedio camera only but then dont forget to add some entertainment. this way the movie might have chances of making money for you as well make people think about it. might add fuel to the fire for USA govt also.
Below are the things you would require ( amongst H4 visa holders only)
1. find a good script.
2. good video gal ( engineering gals)
3. researchers for the project.
4. good actors (very very imp)not famous but while looking at the movie it should not feel like you are not an actor.
5. networking researchers for releasing.
6. marketing people ( i m sure you will find a lot of marketing female with amazing ideas)
7. lawyer
please remember all the above should be on H4.
above all you should feel in what you are doing is right & thing out of the box, uncommon things but of course in a good way.
i can just suggest you. i mean rather than blogging doing something will be a better option & if you need any further help i am always here..
thanks.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
& yes one more thing… if you can talk to some media people or students doing a course of director from some institute that will be the best.. you guys will get to know more & yes CA people know how to curtail the cost & since all of you are housewives now so you know the best & the cheap alternative of anything expensive. & just be in the spirit of doing something with enjoyment with minimal expenses coz nope of you are working so you better know u cannot afford much things. so keep on finding the best & most inexpensive alternatives.
February 21st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
hello Tanya,
this could be bad if the h4 actually do the work of the movie,
instead why not go after cinematography, journalism and philosophy students who are US citizens with h4 relatives or with a humane nature to do the movie.
I am sure there are millions of students looking for a final year or mid year project idea.
but if you get a spouse on h4 to do a movie that could end them losing their h4, that would be a disaster,
h4 stick together, we don’t sacrifice nobody !
do a movie from india? who will see it !
do a movie in the US with actual footage from H4 interviews and it will be more exposed locally.
and don’t forget the “right to work” mentionned above (control F to search the page)
March 20th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
unbelievable !
you guys should file a class action lawsuit.
anyone can help us find info on similar lawsuits? please post here.
let’s use this forum to research .
March 24th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Years ago, my wife was on an L-2 visa and was issued a SSN. We returned to the US last November, but this time my wife had a H4 visa. Would she be able to work on a H4 visa even if she has a SSN?
April 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Hi Guys,
Its really frustating to be on H4 visa. I have total 5+ years exp in IT and also hold masters degree in IT.
I feel very bad,Since my parents spend so much amount for my education and now I am JOBLESS…I was working with TOP IT company in India…now its 5 months without job..
April 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Hi everyone,
I have come across the following Whitehouse petition for visa reform. Please please sign and pass on. Thanks so much.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/#!/petition/commit-itself-visa-reformation-would-allow-highly-skilled-immigrants-be-employed-and-stay-america/nkFrXT2p
May 9th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Dear Ladies,
I wanted to share the updated link to my book – H-4 Fortune Cookies http://soniasaraf.wordpress.com/h-4-fortune-cookies/
My eBook is dedicated to all wives in America who are on dependent visa/ H-4 visa. It’s a heartfelt attempt to inspire H-4 wives to live the life of their dreams despite the challenges that come with leaving behind a well paying job and an established career in their respective home countries.
It’s available for FREE on the above link. To download my eBook, all you need to do is post a Tweet or a Facebook status message about H-4 Fortune Cookies. My intention is to share my book with as many H-4 wives as possible. Please join me in spreading the hope by sharing my book with H-4 wives who need inspiration & a positive nudge to turn their lives around.
~ Love & Light
Sonia
May 10th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
http://www.change.org/petitions/give-more-rights-to-h4-visa-holders
May 29th, 2012 at 5:39 am
Hello Everyone,
Its really sad to see.. the extent of frustration you all guys (ones with H4 Visa)..
But anyone thought of doing something / some work from your home country?
I am sure every one was doing some job down in your home country before leaving to US. My point is just find out options from you previous companies or friends (home country) if they can help you with some part-time / full-time / work from home Jobs..
I am not sure if this is legal again in US.. Just thought of sharing with you..
Indraneel
June 6th, 2012 at 6:15 am
I have several degrees, I am an apprentice trained engineer also and I am an inventor with products in production and patents to my name. I am a research academic also and I have published works internationally. I am a qualified teacher also and was a senior lecturer. I sit in the US now on an H4 visa, ambitious, intelligent, creative, highly skilled but unable to function as a professional. I suppose I should have seen it coming but I didn’t and what’s worse is the advice i get from US citizens telling me this and that about employment and immigration… but they are wrong and generally dio not know the facts. Hey, ho, may you all prosper and enjoy… somehow
June 22nd, 2012 at 8:48 am
Hey All,
I m currently on H4 right now. I am graduate with majors in accounts. The thing is i have a very close friend who owes a limited liability company and she offer me to do accounts for her company in return she wont pay me but will teach me all the software needed in accounting in U.S. for e.g quick-books. so my question is can i join her or its illegal to do so. Even she told me that you can built ur resume here by getting experience and can work in future whenever u r eligible to. What should i do? Please help me ASAP.
June 29th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
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August 8th, 2012 at 5:14 am
Hi all, Im on H4 and there is a nursing home willing to accept me for a job. I dont have SSN but i have a tin muber. They ask me for my tin number but I am hesitant to give them because I m thinking that the IRS will know about it that I am working. What will I do. I really need this job. Can I work using my tin number and will not be having a problem with the IRS or USCIS? Please help me. Thank you!
August 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am
i would say
Start a Blog on H4 visa(don’t monetize it):
Very little investment(10$ a month) but an extremely enriching experience.If you have a computer background its perfect.even if you don’t have one take help from someone who has computer background to configure your design and once its up and running you can handle it yourself easily,so a great way to utilize time while on H4 Visa. well for more options for H4 visa people
http://thekapils.com/2012/08/18/options-for-h4-visa-holders/
August 31st, 2012 at 8:25 pm
after researching a lot, there is one answer:
In the US, don’t work if you are on H4.
your ITIN and your SSN are pretty much linked (even in the future).
H4 means NO WORK in the US until you change status to a work visa.
your future is at risk and it is not worth it.
you can work outside the US as long as you are not affecting negatively the US economy, but NOT inside the US.
there is a law about that,working from abroad without negatively affecting the economy, I read it on several websites.
you still have other options besides working and making money and buying a ferrari.
you can learn how to be a stay at home parent, save on coupons, on expenses, etc, plant your own garden and save money.
with the curent state and fed taxes and sales taxes, the money you would earn from working may be the same as the money you would save by staying at home and doing home stuff.
especially if you have kids, you save a LOT on daycare.
cash money is not everything for everyone.
for some people, it is the end result (after tax and all expenses) that counts more.
there are many citizens who find it cheaper to have 1 parent at home while the other works than for both to work.
PS: h4 don’t qualify for unemploymnent. even if you were h1b and paid social security taxes , on h4 or h1b or any visa, you don’t qualify for unemployment.
but you can save a lot.
you can save by looking for the cheapest mortgage, cheapest insurance, cheapest cable, cheapest internet, cheapest deals on purcahses (food, gas, car, amusement using coupons or looking for free stuff to do like fishing and going to the discount movies etc).
add all this up and it makes sense for SOME people to stay at home.
I am a stay at home dad. I am very ashamed of it. I hate it.
I have 2 kids. I save more than I was paid when I was working when i had a work visa.
when I Will get my work permit, I will work 24 hours per day to make up for those lost years, but until then, the best i can do is SAVE.
SAVE SAVE SAVE.
think positive guys and girls !
September 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 am
It is sad to see the frustration and anxiety experienced by you all but I do want to thank you for sharing your ideas and thoughts here.
Many have asked about working in the home country. That is gray area and I’ll share my thoughts with you on it.
First, the law
Any work performed while you are physically located on US soil is considered US work according to the IRS. But if you are working for a company in India and selling their goods / services in the US, that kind of work is pretty much clearly US work and would be illegal to do.
Now, the gray area:
If you are doing something for your home country that does not involve selling anything in the US, for example, research real estate opportunities to invest into in your home country, that may not qualify as work since you are just looking for a home to buy. Another example would be to continue to work for an existing (or new for that matter) family business from the US. Your family business could be selling T-shirts at the local market in the home country and you could create designs here in the US. That is gray area. You do run a small risk – but heck, if the choice is between losing your sanity or taking a small risk, which one would you choose?
October 1st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Hi, it is so great to find this website. I am one of the depressed H4s. two years, I thought about commit suicide. At last, my husband agreed me to return to my home country. I found a job and I have been never so happy and enjoy my working so much! After almost two years, my husband can’t endure this separation and my son need go to preschool thus I came back with H4 visa again. I swear that I will seek any ways to continue working. I can’t waste my time, intelligence and my life. I am smart, and have advanced degree. I did much better than most of my american classmates in graduate school!
Damn on these stupid laws! I am a human and I can’t be killed by stupid laws regulated by other persons! When these americans refused to pay the tax for British Governments, they are illegal too! All the legal things begin from illegals!
Try to seek the grey area! Run your own business in your homeland; Do business from internet!
I saw someone said it is illegal even if you work for a company outsides US, and even this company has no any relationship with US. What a fuck law! We can’t work even if we don’t affect US workers and job market? Someone said it is grey which means no one knew the real answer. So why not H4 try this?
October 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Sophie – thanks for sharing your story. Years ago when I first started the wait, it was easier to see the logic and abide strictly by the law (stay in the clearly white spaces instead of the gray). But after years of waiting, and no legislation being passed or even considered that could change the misery that H4 visa holders are enduring, I would agree with you that H4 visa holders need to get creative with finding work. There are clearly some things that can be done with very little risk.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:30 am
Hi,
I am recently looking around on the internet to find information about H4. My wife will be coming with her H4. It’s quite frustrating for a person not being able to work even they are quite capable. Anyway, I have a website to share.
http://www.freelancer.com
Maybe some of you could find something to work on through the freelancer website. I don;t know if they required you to have a SSN, maybe there are exception. Maybe they pay you with cash. Good luck everyone.. think of a brighter side of it.
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March 11th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
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March 11th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
My story is a little different from most people I’ve seen on H4. My husband and I actually came to the U.S with individual H1B visas at the same time. My employer never promised to file permanent residency for me (green card). I was not too bothered as my husband changed jobs after 4 years and the new employer promised to file for a green card. So, after working for 6 years, my employer chose not to renew my H1B visa due to the economic situation etc… My husband’s employer kept their promise and filed for permanent residence and applied for an extension of his H1B. To continue to live here with my husband, I went on an H4 visa as his dependent.
I had a baby the same time my H1B visa expired so initially I didn’t mind being on H4, I had my hands full with a new baby and older kids. However, 3 years down the line, I am frustrated.
I had worked full time for nearly 10 years before the H1B expired, and even though I may not have always enjoyed work and often wanted to be a stay-at-home mom, at least I had a choice. It is the absolute lack of choice on an H4 visa that is just so FRUSTRATING. I had a 6 figure income and going from that to ZERO at the same time as having an addition to the household seriously takes a financial on a family unit….
My husband is the most wonderful person ever, works hard and never complains, stays positive….. But this waiting is out of this world. Knowing that you are physically and mentally healthy and capable to contribute to the economy and community around you and help your family financially but being told you are not able to do so…. Well it takes its toll.
I keep myself active in my church, my kids’ schools, go for long walks and try to do enjoyable things that don’t cost a lot (hardly possible these days)! The days do go by, however, the thought that I’m sitting around twiddling my thumbs in my prime visits me weekly!
I don’t want to go back to school – I have a good professional degree already, I took a lot of conversion exams and re-training to be able to work here in the U.S n the 1st place…. Besides there is no extra $$$ for gong back to school anyway!
Somedays, we’ve considered moving back to our country, but the reality is, we’ve been in the U.S for nearly 9 years (goodness, how time flies)… Anyone who’s ever emigrated knows its not straightforward to just pack up and leave, especially as we’ve now come ‘this far’ in the filing process.
I’ve lost my initial train of thought and I’m not sure why I wrote this but since I’ve spent this time typing it, I’m going to post it anyway….
I guess my QUESTION IS: What can I do legally on an H4 visa that can generate an income while I wait???
March 28th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Hello all my dear H4 mates,
) and will start my 9 months course in august. Will have to stay away from my husband for that much time but we both realize this will make our future. I am blessed with a husband who is ready to sponsor my MS education. For all those who feel its an expensive option can try certification courses which also do give OPT. Preparing for all dis while sitting alone at home wasnt easy. So i ensured to join gym or go for dance classes or even just go for a jog daily. Excercising helps u stay active and positive and really lifts up ur spirits. B4 i had just read about it in last one yr i have experienced it. I have gone to a couple of meetups ( meetup.com) and have good times there. I learnt driving and in one year have slowly taken up all responsibilties to mange a household and budget for different things every month. This took time and slow transformation though as b4 marraige i had been a complete kiddo enjoying and living life on my own terms and conditions as i was single and had my own income. Driving can really help u get independent in this country. I used to have my own depressing time and was coutry sick. But i ensured i never let that feeling stay fr more than a few hrs or a day. I used to do anything random to get out of it. Things like even googling ” how to stay positive”. I know just reading on internet cannot help u much and my husband even found it funny at times when i used to do it over and over again, but even if one such post alters ur thoght process at that very moments and springs u up fr an hr .. I think the good work is done. Many more such instances can finally put unon the right path. 
I coudnt help sharing my story after reading this post and the replies.. Seeing what a wonderful job u are in uplifting spirits of H4 spouses. Sonia, I loved your fortune cookies. They are truly inspiring.
I came on H4 last year. In this one year I have just stuck to one committment. Not to stay idle. Keep my self busy either through gym, reading, or cooking. I came in march and started trying for jobs. Got calls but ppl turned me down as I was on H4. I have done my betech and then mba from India and have worked for 1.25 yrs in business intelligence and financial advisory domain. So wasnt really willing to just take up anything. I tried getting job through consultants but my own research and stories of universities like trivalleyand herguan ( exist only to give cpt to students so that they can work while their H1 is processed) and the shady money making attitude of consultants ended up in me giving up on that route. Thats when I started preparing for gre and found this wonderful course in analytics which suits and will be a great addition to my profile. Also minimal research suggested huge increment indemand in this field. I love being analytical had a profile in business intelligence, so thought it would be a great addition and a degree from US would makeup for all the break i had had in my career. The last year then just flew in gre prep and applications, gatering recommendations, focussing on my essays for applications. Right now I have 2 admits in my hand ( one with a scholarship
Now i have couple of months to go b4 i join college. I have made it to a degree which costs less overall than what me and my husband had thought intially. So plan to learn all things which i have ever wnted. Kathak, belly dancing, was learning violin back in india b4 marraige.. Will probably continue back again. Initially i was reluctant to spend evn lil amounts seeing that i would need money for college. Stuck to really cheap or free options around through deals and all. Now m relaxed. My husband has been really supportive in this time. I feel everybody can do something positive out of their time on this visa if they refuse to surrender and start thinking out of the box. I hope my avverage h4 story gives u the motivation to back to ur life head on and start progressing by cultivating a positive fighting and exploring spirit. If any one need any info on the path i took i shall be happy to help. Hail all the strong women on h4.
Cheers!!!
March 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Hi Sakshi,
Thanks for sharing your story. Just wondering what is this course/program you mentioned here? You mind provide a link?
Thanks,
May 10th, 2013 at 4:48 am
Hello, I have been reading this blog and comments. I will be soon going to the US on the dreaded and cursed H4 visa. I am probably in a better situation than some women on this visa. I have been living and working in the UK for 6 years now and have had enough amount of savings and assets here, plus I have work rights here. I wonder how life is going to be within the four walls, with my wings cut, esp. when one is used to being so financially independent. I hope that the journey won’t be too bad, just a hope! My husband is very supportive so far and hopefully will continue to be.