What to do when you are on H4 status?
The fact that H4 visa holders cannot work in the US is not only unfair, I think it borders on human rights violation. For a developed country like the US, full of immigrants, such a restriction is unimaginable. I would equate it to putting someone in prison - mentally. We hear about green card process delays, CIR bill, Health care reform bill, etc. but few talk about the plight of H4 visa holders - spouses of H1 visa holders that cannot work in the US at all. Even if they are the smartest bulb in the world. Even if it were a doctor who could save someone’s life or an inventor who could give America the next amazing invention. Imagine you had this AMAZING idea or you finally found your life’s calling but you were on the H4 visa. What would you do? I am the entrepreneurial type and I know that if I were in such a situation, I would almost go mad. I think I’d leave the country. But for many, that’s not an option.
I wrote about the Top 10 issues faced by immigrants in the US earlier. The H4 work authorization issue was #3. All the top 3 are probably worthy of being #1 in their own accord.
So, given such a mind-numbing restriction and the fact that you might have to live in such a handicap for years, what are your options? Legally, you can’t work at all. But there are gray areas. On EndlessWait.com, we care a lot about ethics and would NEVER suggest something that’s in violation of the law in any way. But those that have experienced what H4 visa holders go through will agree that finding acceptable workarounds is their only choice. So here you go.
While you are on H4, there are some things you can do:
1. Get Educated: This is the safest option. H4 visa holders can go to school but after you graduate, you can’t really work unless you transition your visa to a H1-B visa, which is an option. Most take this route. But there are many that either don’t want further schooling, can’t afford it, or already have advanced degrees from their foreign countries.
2. Work on something that you can release after you get your work authorization. For example, write a book that you can publish after you get the green card of some work authorization. Or you can release that through a publisher in your home country. Another idea is to plan for a business that you will start when you do get work authorization. For instance, you can try various recipes at home and take classes to become a chef. Once you get your work authorization, you can open your own little restaurant & then with all these years of research you have put into it, you’re much more likely to succeed than the hundreds of restaurants that open up without much of a plan or a well thought out menu.
3. Invest in stocks: You are allowed to invest in businesses, just not work for them. As long as you are not day trading (meaning you make more than 5 trades per week), you are ok. There are several other things you can trade in such as mutual funds (more passive but also less control and more fees involved), forex, Etc. but stocks are the easiest place to start. If you have $25k to start an acocunt with, you could use Zecco.com - they offer free trades at that level. You don’t have to invest all $25k into stocks, just place that amount into your account and you get free trades. Also, you can PRACTICE investing in stocks at http://www.zeccozimulator.com and several other similar sites on the web. These sites give you fake money to test your trading strategies with. If you are new to trading stocks, I highly recommend working with these for at least a month before trading in real money.
4. Peer to Peer Lending: You can lend money to other fellow Americans at LendingClub.com or Prosper.com. This new trend in Finance is called Peer to Peer investing and is a rage among new age investors. It’s been proven to work. The tough part with these is to spend time analyzing loan applicants and making sure you lend to the right people that do repay your loan with interest as you’d expect. The trick is to lend small amounts of money ($100 or so) to a large number of loans. These sites allow hundreds of people to pool their money together to satisfy a loan so your portion of risk is limited. It’s a great concept and the key to success in there is TIME. Most people don’t have that but you guys on H4 to. Capitalize on it. Between these 2 sites, I think LendingClub has the edge as of this post but that’s a personal opinion. You can create accounts with both for free.
5. Invest in Businesses (be a small-time venture capitalist): This may not sound like the typical thing most people do but it’s a very real opportunity out there. You could analyze business opportunities that are out there and when you find a good one, acquire it (fully or in part) and take a passive ownership interest in the business where you invest money into it but don’t work. It’s like investing in stocks, but only here you invest directly into a small business. The reason this works better for some is because you are more in control of what you are placing your money on. The hard part often times is the TIME that it takes to evaluate and find the right business to invest into. Of course, you need the money to invest but there’s ways to raise that if you feel confident that a business is worth it. There are businesses out there looking for investors for as little as $1000 investment.
You can look at businesses that are up for sale at http://bizbuysell.com, http://www.businessesforsale.com, Etc. These sites have forums where people post business ideas and ask for venture investment all the time.
The gray area here is that you can’t work for the business!! You can spend all the time in the world browsing the Internet finding the right business to invest in. But once you acquire it or sign a deal with them, you need to step back and let your active partner do ALL the work. It’s not easy, but doable if you are careful.
5. Volunteer: This one is gray area. The law is not clear (as far as I know and I am NOT a lawyer), about whether you can work without pay while on H4. What is work without pay really? So if you saw someone dying on the street, is helping them “working”? If that’s not working, then why is any other form of voluneteering any different. Work for a friend or family member for free or in exchange for compensation in some form other than money. Perhaps they could buy you a cruise trip, Etc. Again, this is gray area but oh well, I would do it if I had to.
Hope this helps some of you. It doesn’t erase the frustrating position the law puts you in. But we’ve all got to work with the constraints life throws at us. Some of us are luckier than others. You made the choice to come to the US. Make the best of the choices you do have…









January 21st, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Great post, it inspired me to write my Congressman again. Don’t know what good it will do, considering that in the “world’s greatest democracy” we don‘t have the right to work for years and years. In Canada it takes 3 months to get a work permit for people in our situation. Oh, how I wish I moved there … I honestly didn’t know it would take that long to have a normal life again. Meanwhile, I volunteer, you have to be very careful about the gray area, it must be a non paying job. I saw this case on the news, a woman opened a shop and her family was helping her put the merchandise on the shelves … apparently you can get in big trouble for even this innocent kind of help.
January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Corina,
Good luck with the progress on the Congressperson front. Why don’t you write a post or a comment about exactly what you did and what results you saw?
Also, I am thinking about starting a forum on the endlesswait site. It’s a lot of work to install and integrate with the current site look and feel. But if I do get around to it, would you be interested in being a moderator?
Srini
January 28th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
I wrote my Congressman and also two Washington State Senators, stating my situation, asking them if there is any way to shorten the process to obtain a green card and so on. Not all answered yet, but their answers are very general…did not answer my question. They said that they support comprehensive immigration reform; my problems are important to them and so on. If a lot of people will write, it will make a difference I hope.
The forum idea sounds very good, I’d enjoy being a moderator.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Really enjoyed your post, thanks. I’ve only been in US since November so not feeling too bad about not working yet! But I’ve started volunteering and going to look at peer to peer lending and investing in stocks.
Jenny
March 5th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
i just hate my life right now… im on h4 visa
i am so depressed and i just can’t do anything… my husband is a perfect guy but i just can’t help myself everytime i look at the mirror.i saw a 25 yr old young woman with a degree, without a career and fully dependent to somebody.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I know perfectly what you mean; I came here when I was 26, now I am 29 almost and still have no job or prospects. I still contemplate leaving the country(sent CVs everywhere); I am still angry and very frustrated. The thing that keeps me going is that with all this unpleasantness, it’s still better than my country. Your depression will go away only if you make it go away. Focus on the positive things, visit stuff, go outside, volunteer at a park or somewhere you can make friends. I know you don’t feel like doing anything, but that’s depression. You can actually get sick if you don’t get out of it. What helped me was sports and denial.
March 13th, 2010 at 10:05 am
What’s frustrating me most under h4 status is not being able to help my family financially because I cant work.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Thanks for this post. I’m 24 and due for my H4 visa interview next month, I’ve been here for 2 months. I have a Physics degree and had just started a great career in London working in finance…I now wake up and start planning dinner. How depressing. I’m definitely going to look into these stocks, thanks so much.
May 13th, 2010 at 11:51 am
America seems like a big dream and sometimes I feel I am stuck inside a Gold Cage. If you tell anyone they think we are stupid to crib and we are lucky to be here. Only a person stuck in this situation can understand how it really feels to be Bored Beyond Belief . I sometimes find myself going nuts and yet I try and find things to do online.
One things is strange though wives of people who come on L1 can do work and we cant and there is nothing we can do. Even, though they are here on temporary basis. I wish they would allow us to work for some 10 hours a week. That would also be good.
Here I find myself eqippped with all my degrees and yet helpless. Rules are rules and yes you cant change them and a greencard seems dog years away. I have worked for 6 years and now not being able to work is not totally crazy but its a restriction when you have the knowledge and capability.
I hope to find new inventive ways to kill time. I just hope and pray God gives me the wisdom to sail through this time. What I miss is my financial independence and being free. But life is not always perfect. I just take one day at a time and make a schedule. That helps me and a hobby yes thats a plus. People who can study here it is one good thing to do. Yet, not everyone can do that too.
Volunteering, alas many places needed my social security number which I cant get.Ironical, still I can say there are many things you can do here you just need to dig deeper. I am still digging….
May 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Amy, I hear you.
You can get your SSN on H4 - anyone in US can. Just apply for one.
Read the post again. Try stocks or learn a trade that you can benefit from once you do get a visa. A lot of scientists, artists and entrepreners spend years perfecting something before it makes the first dollar. Think outside the box and prove to the rest of the world that you can thrive no matter what!
May 24th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Hi,
I’m a doctor from India on H4. Recently, i took all the steps needed for a medical licensing and i’m looking to apply for residency positions in the state of california. However, the medical board of california won’t process my application till i provide them with a ssn. So, my life sucks right now. Is there any way for me to get a ssn?
June 25th, 2010 at 7:38 am
Hi,
I am on H4 and like many I had a great career before I came here. Anyways, i am in Massachusetts and they say people on H4 are not eligible for SSN. Is that true? Any infos will be appreciated.
June 25th, 2010 at 7:39 am
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June 25th, 2010 at 9:07 am
You can get your SSN even while you are on H4. Just go ahead and apply, they’ll give it to you. People say a whole bunch of crap, don’t believe them. Make friends with a good immigration attorney that gives you good advice for a reasonable fee. And spend time on murthy forums. A lot of the basic questions are answered there.
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
It is difficult being on an H4 and not being able to work. I’m the son of an H1-B holder and I’m going to college. What’s really bad is that I have lived in the same state for 7 years now and I still have to pay international tuition rates…which is 3 times the regular price of instate tuition. It’s extremely not fair when illegal immigrants can use the Dream Act, which allows illegal students that have taken 3 years of high school in a state to get instate tuition at a public college or university. It really hurts to know that their rights are being put above ours. It’s not always fair, but I have e-mail my district representative, both my senators, and thew white house. I highly doubt they’ll get the message, but it’s worth a try. There is a program called FAIR (Federation of American Immigration Reform) which is trying to repeal the Dream Act. Hopefully it works so that our rights can at least somewhat be less humiliated…